Limiting never used to be really important. When I first started mastering 20 odd years ago, we used to master to 0 PPM. And only when it was peaking over will we use a limiter, a clipper-type one. That left the level about -14 LUFS, which is kind of where we're going back to. But ever since the TC Finalizer came along, and people started to smash their tracks and work from home with them, the whole mastering landscape has changed. Now limiters are used to get things as loud as we possibly can, whether that's -8, -6 or -4...